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It is also the story of an on-the-spot innovation, subsequently made famous by studies of quick thinking when crew leader Wag Dodge saved himself from the fire by lighting another, burning the fuel and then sheltering in the burned out are have the problem of organizational behavior and small-unit cohesion among a group and a leader unaccustomed to working with the team. There is the story of fire-science that was greatly stimulated by the events at Mann Gulch. We could talk about the investigation of inc and court cases resulting or about the investigation, much of it never to-be-resolved, finished as much as it ever will be by the author almost forty years after the event, with the fi report cut short by the death of the author himself.So, I recommend this book for if you are interested in any of the above subjects, or if you just want an excitin or are attracted by the forces of nature. Since I cannot cover all the details, I will go after those most related interest and experience. I bought this book as part of my study of the ecological use of fire and “Young Men and Fire” is a classic for fire science. But I first became aware of the book when studying innovation and organizational behavior, so I will talk about those things.My study has concerned mostly prescribed burning in Southeastern pine forests, but I have also looked into ponderosa pine in the West and in tallgrass prairie ecosystems. The ecology in Mann Gulch included grassland brush along with ponderosa pine and Douglas fir. This was no prescribed or controlled fire.Maclean sets the stage very well. He describes the young smoke jumpers, their attributes and attitudes. The were fit young men whose mission was to parachute ahead of fires and put them out before they got too big. Consider that in 1949, not long after World War II, the parachute was still a relatively new technology. Paratroopers had been heroes of the War and this was no doubt not lost on the young smoke jumpers, who s themselves in military terms, fighting fires as they would any other enemy. They knew that their task was dangerous, but they had the confidence of fit young men who had not seen failure. An important flaw in this organization, and one that may have been fatal, was that smoke jumping crews were assembled from a list of volunteers at each need. They were not a team used to working together. And their leader, Wag Dodge, although experienced in the woods and with fire fighting, did not know them well. Humans are not interchangeable p When the crisis breaks and they need to rely on quick thinking or training, it is important that the team think a time. The men in Mann Gulch did not.It is also to think back to the mindset of the Forest Service at that time. This was before the science of ecology had developed, before fire behavior science had developed and before the idea the fire could be a natural and necessary part of the environment was even seriously considered. The Forest Service treated fire in the woo you would a fire in your living room. Put it out, they hoped before 10am. Lurking in the minds of all the ran was the memory of the Big Burn fire of 1910, which had burned more than three million acres and killed at least 78 fire fighters. (You can get a good background on that from “The Big Burn” on the “American Experience.)The Mann Gulch fire behaved in particularly nasty ways for a variety of reasons. The topography was import The walls of the gulch channeled the wind and the rock faces created eddies, sort of mini-tornadoes of flame. Beyond that was the combination of timber and grass. A timber fire can get very hot but does not move very quickly. A grass fire is very rapid but not as hot, as the grass burns quickly and then goes out. Often only to the grass burns. The Mann Gulch fire combined the dangerous attributes of both, with the rapidly moving gr fire supported behind by the intense heat of the timber fire. It was hot enough to kill the firefighters and fast enough to outrun them.The Mann Gulch became a blow up fire, which is a sudden increase in fire intensity or rate of spread accompanied by violent convection. The smoke jumpers just were not expecting this. The smoke jumper ethos was based the idea that they would be able to put out small fires before they became big ones. Their tools were simple. used shovels and simple tools to bury fire and beat it to death. These tools and methods are unsuited to a big which Mann Gulch became evidently in a matter of minutes. The firefighters have to stop fighting and get o the way of what they cannot stop. This was the problem; they could not get out the way fast enough.The fire was coming fast because of the wind blowing up the gulch and from the wind created by the fire itself large fire creates its own wind. You can see that in a campfire or a fire in a fireplace. The fire draws in cool a heats it and pushes it out. The hot exhaust and gasses are what often kills. It burns lungs and suffocates. According to Maclean, it is ironically similar to drowning.The fire also moved faster because it was going up hill. Fire burns up faster than it burns down. On the other hand, humans are slower running up hill. The young man did not have much of a chance to outrun the fire an this is were Wag Dodge has his idea. He no doubt understood the idea of a back-fire, i.e. a fire set in front of oncoming head fire designed to burn combustible material in advance of the big fire. Deprive it of fuel and it out. (This is one of the principles of conducting prescribed fires. Burners set a backfire to end the progress o head fire.) But nobody had used that principle to create an escape fire.Dodge set a fire that burned the grass in front of the oncoming big fire and then laid on the ground in the ash and let the fire burn over him. He tried to get his fellow firefighters to join him, but they evidently (we can n know) did not understand or thought the idea was insane. Dodge survived and the principle of an escape fire entered the training manuals for fire fighters. BTW, the escape fire works in grass but not in timber fires. A timber fire burns slower but much hotter and longer.I recommend the book, as I wrote above, but I do need to point out that the book is inconsistent through not of the author. Maclean died before the book was finished. His editors tried to do what they thought he would have done and they usually succeed, but there is a little too much step-by-step description of Maclean’s last v Mann Gulch. I suspect that these were first drafts or notes that Maclean would have tightened up.“Young Men and Fire” has become classic in diverse fields of fire science, forestry and organizational behavior is also generally fun to read. One advantage of a “classic” is that it has been in print a long time. You can get book for one penny (plus shipping) on .P.S. This fire and the crew involved has been studied in great detail. The story of Wag Dodge has become an example of innovation, while the problems of coordination have been studied by organizational theorists. Th a good online exploration of the ground Mann Gulch at this link.P.S.S. – An added aspect of this tragedy is that it need not have happened at all. Researchers have talked ab the tactical problems of leaders, organization, geography, weather and bad luck. All these thing indeed came together in a kind of perfect storm. But there is a mega-issue. This fire did not need to be fought at all. Fire natural part of this ecosystem and there was nothing that needed to be saved in Mann Gulch. If you look at t photos of Mann Gulch today you are seeing the natural landscape. The fire was severe and deadly. It killed thirteen brave young men. But it did not destroy or even harm the long-term natural environment of the gulch. In fact, the natural environment today would have been worse had they succeeded in controlling that fire by as we the Forest Service standard of the time.1 of 1 people found the following review helpful.Great story. Book is not in "NEW" condition as advertisedBy Michele SzkolnickiI bought this as a gift for someone else - I have already read and love the story.The book was not new as advertised:1. the first 2 pages are cut out (containing praise for the book - I have my own personal copy and compared it)2. several dog-eared pages and dogeared cover3. a dime-sized brown stain is on the top side (pages) of the book.4. impressions (like someone was using it to write on) on back cover.5. Internal binding split around page 56.This is an older book but I would not call it new.0 of 0 people found the following review helpful.Still cracklesBy Mark StevensPublished 22 years ago, "Young Men Fire" still crackles today. Norman MacLean's account of the Mann Gulch fire, which claimed the lives of 13 firefighters in 1949, is a powerful piece of narrative journalism. But MacLean warps the form--fearlessly. He practically instructs us how to react and think about the tragedy, yanking us up steep canyon walls to ponder the series of easily-made mistakes in the tragedy, where "young men died like squirrels."The lightning-sparked fire was a "catastrophic collision of fire, clouds and winds" in Mann Gulch, located between Butte and Great Falls along the upper Missouri River. The fire was first spotted by a forest ranger and soon a C-47 was on the way with smokejumpers on board, heading to the remote canyon with winds so rough that one smokejumper got sick and did not jump. Fifteen smokejumpers parachuted into the fire and joined the forest ranger, who had been fighting the fire on his own for hours, on the ground. MacLean parses these first few decisions carefully and highlights the many ways in which it was unlikely this crew might succeed--their youth, lack of training and lack of training together. To make matters worse, their radio was destroyed during the jump (its parachute failed to open).The tragedy unspools over a few fast hours, flames racing up the steep slopes of the canyon, feeding on knee-high cheatgrass. MacLean does an admirable job of breaking down the series of events, but it gets a bit complicated and hard to picture, no matter how many times MacLean takes us back to various vantage points to consider (and reconsider) how the flames won and the men lost.The Mann Gulch fire is infamous for the tragedy but also noted for the "escape fire" lit by Wagner Dodge, who figured out in the high-pressure situation that the way to survive was to light his own fire and lay down in the smoking embers in order to hide, essentially, from the bigger onrushing blaze. Dodge urged others to join him, but they didn't heed his pleas--or didn't understand the strategy, given the panic. Dodge was one of three survivors. The controversy over this moment--could others have survived as well--remains.MacLean takes on the role of investigator, prosecutor and philosopher. "Young Men Fire" is compelling reading precisely because MacLean asserts his point of view and takes us inside his thought process, neatly interweaving his personal take with events on the ground and almost insisting that we try and figure out what happened. "We enter now a different time zone, even a different world of time. Suddenly comes the world of slow-time that accompanies grief and moral bewilderment trying to understand the extinction of those whose love and everlasting presence were never questioned. Al there was to time were the fixty-six speeding minutes before the fire picked watches off dead bodies, blew them up a hillside ahead of the bodies, and froze the watch hands together. Ahead now is a world of no explosions no blowups, and, without a storyteller, not many explanations."Where some writers of narrative non-fiction work hard to keep their distance from their subject, MacLean purposely weaves himself into the story, determined to come to terms with the tragedy in the same way he wrote the novel "A River Runs Through It" as a way to come to terms with the death of his brother.In the end, MacLean doesn't have all the answers and views the Mann Gulch with a long view. The "truculent universe," he concludes, "prefers to retain the Mann Gulch fire as one of its secrets--left to itself, it fades away, an unsolved violent incident grieved over by the fewer and fewer still living who are old enough to grieve over fatalities of 1949."See all 219 customer reviews... Neil Young Times MR YOUNG GOES TO WASHINGTON By Brooks Hays UPI April 26 2014 WASHINGTON -- A little more than a week after the State Department announced a delay on the final ... 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